Joker Director Finally Explains That Last Crucial Scene

  • Published on Oct 8, 2019
  • Arthur Fleck's biggest joke just might be the one he pulled on you. Joker director Todd Phillips recently made a few very interesting comments to the Los Angeles Times about the final scene of the movie comments that imply a bizarre truth about the story being presented. In case that's not warning enough, be advised that major spoilers for Joker lie ahead.
    Joaquin Phoenix's Arthur is depicted early and often as having a tenuous grip on reality. The film eventually lets on that it's not always clear which events are fantasy and which are reality not to the audience, and presumably not to Arthur.
    At the end, Arthur is seen with his psychiatrist in Arkham State Hospital after he has apparently killed his mother, incited a riot, shot Murray Franklin on live television, and escaped from police custody with the help of his clown-masked followers. As the shrink attempts to question him, Arthur simply laughs, telling her that she wouldn't get the joke. According to Phillips, it's this particular laugh that might hold a clue about the true nature of the story that just unfolded. He explained,
    "That laugh in that scene is really the only time he laughs genuinely. There are different laughs in the movie. There is the laugh from Arthur's affliction and then there is his fake laugh when he's trying to be 'one of the people,' which is my favorite laugh. But at the end, when he's in the room at Arkham State Hospital, that's his only genuine laugh in the movie."
    Why is that, exactly? Well, perhaps because in the end, the joke is on us, the audience. Phillips has said that one of the main influences on his film was The Killing Joke, the acclaimed 1988 graphic novel in which the Joker says that if he must have a past, he, quote, "[prefers] it to be multiple choice." The director made a direct allusion to this dialogue in suggesting that as many fans have speculated Arthur Fleck might not necessarily be who we think he is. Phillips said,
    "There are lots of ways you could look at this movie. You could look at it and go, 'This is just one of his multiple-choice stories. None of it happened.' I don't want to say what it is. But a lot of people I've shown it to have said, 'Oh, I get it he's just made up a story. The whole movie is the joke. It's this thing this guy in Arkham Asylum concocted. He might not even be the Joker.'"
    Phillips went on to state outright that the man who will become Batman's nemesis may simply be in the background somewhere, watching all of these events play out. He said,
    "Maybe Joaquin's character inspired the Joker. You don't really know. His last line in the movie is, 'You wouldn't get it.' There's a lot going on in there that's interesting."
    Phoenix himself also explained that Joker can be seen not so much as a straightforward narrative, but as a series of suggestions. Keep watching the video to see that the Joker director finally explains that last crucial scene!
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  • Looper
    Looper  11 days ago +1349

    How much of Joker do you think really happened in the movie? Which parts?

    • happinesstan
      happinesstan 12 hours ago

      Most of it. The scene in which he is in the audience at Murray's show (I have my suspicions that Murray's joke may have also been Arthur's delusion, based on the fact that Arthur laughs in time) and his relationship are delusions. The 3 flashback scenes that many complain about, grounds the rest of the story [up to that point] in reality.
      I think the joke is that Arthur has lived a life of obscurity in a society where he doesn't belong, but now that society has placed him where they think he belongs, he will gain notoriety. I'm no Batman aficionado, but it strikes me that Joker's success could be in his ability to manipulate the minds of the criminally insane. As a talented clown he has alreay demonstrated his ability to mesmerise.
      However, I do believe there is one joke aimed at the audience. And that joke is introduced in the scene which introduces the cinema audience [it seems painfully obvious]. In 1981 the audience are watching a 1936 film, named 'Modern Times', laughing, whilst outside the world destroys itself. It reminds me that it is over 40 years since Scorsese entertained us all with his warnings, and yet here we are again.
      Top film.

    • Sevren Hoover
      Sevren Hoover Day ago

      Pogokoala agree 110%

    • Painted Solace
      Painted Solace 2 days ago

      @Ben Owen was that not the same person?

    • Originality Am
      Originality Am 2 days ago

      It's multiple choice .

    • Dean W. Thomas
      Dean W. Thomas 2 days ago

      I don’t believe any of it happened except for the final scene.

  • Adrian Schneider
    Adrian Schneider 24 minutes ago

    Think about Ben affleck the worst Batman who had no Joker in his movies. Arthur Fleck is a Joke about Ben affleck as Batman and is just a „JOKE“ from the Joker. Behause we Never Heard- of the Name Arthur Fleck. Jack napier is a name i Heard

  • Fly wie Lubitz
    Fly wie Lubitz 28 minutes ago

    The real joker lives in a society

  • Adrian Schneider
    Adrian Schneider 39 minutes ago

    Arthur Fleck is just a „Joke“ from the Joker. Its exactly this Kind of Humor. Thats why he Said „you wouldnt understand“. it was the First „real“ scene.

  • Elena Sos
    Elena Sos 50 minutes ago

    Todd Phillips is an amazing filmmaker

  • fact gasm
    fact gasm Hour ago

    Personally I thought the last scene was straightforward enough. Joker walks away, leaving his psychiatrist's blood in his footprints.

    "You won't get it" he says.

  • fact gasm
    fact gasm Hour ago

    Superb movie. The makers really understood how someone can slide all the way from struggling with life all the way to insanity. I felt very sorry indeed for the main character. He had a bad start in life and took one huge blow after another in quick succession with no safety net there to catch him. That's why he resorted to suicide ideation. He couldn't take being who he was any longer, being a no-one, rejected, humiliated and tormented every direction he turned. He had to become someone else. Once he found a source of strength, a way to punish and to eliminate those who wronged him, he felt power - probably for the first time in his life - and suddenly he was a someone.

  • fact gasm
    fact gasm Hour ago

    Superb movie. The makers really understood how someone can slide all the way from struggling with life all the way to insanity. I felt very sorry indeed for the main character. He had a bad start in life and took one huge blow after another in quick succession with no safety net there to catch him. That's why he resorted to suicide ideation. He couldn't take being who he was any longer, being a no-one, rejected, humiliated and tormented every direction he turned. He had to become someone else. Once he found a source of strength, a way to punish and to eliminate those who wronged him, he felt power - probably for the first time in his life - and suddenly he was a someone.

  • Aglaitso
    Aglaitso Hour ago

    So... no one's going to talk about the "Arthur flex" on the beginning?

  • Noël de Cocq van Delwijnen

    If the whole movie is an imagination of Phoenix or he tells a story because he wants to chose a past, why would he have any imagination inside his imagination? He tells a story about his past but within that story he makes up things wich he believes really his imagination that is because he tells a story...that doesn't make any sense. So for me everything really happened except offcourse being in the audience with Murray and having a girlfriend.

  • Ryan English
    Ryan English 6 hours ago

    Don’t shit on a masterpiece by saying “it was all a dream” 😑

  • walter black
    walter black 6 hours ago

    this was real Hollywood movie (before spielberg Comes)

  • Slayerlv
    Slayerlv 7 hours ago

    I just saw the movie it was awesome.. my take of the film is that everything happened as we saw it from him getting mugged in the alley to killing people in the subway I feel he was telling his story to the shrink in the hospital at the end of the movie which would explain the hallucinations about the girl friend and other hallucinations in the movie at the end where he laughs at himself about his life being a joke saying that she wouldn't understand

  • Hellspectre1
    Hellspectre1 9 hours ago

    Hello anyone wanna talk? I like to have some human interraction

  • MrJustwatchin9 Ontheinnanets

    Arthur was probably the progenitor of the Jack Napier joker who Possibly could be a copycat joker and took it to the next level.

  • The Mr. J Show
    The Mr. J Show 11 hours ago

    Until todd says different, this is joker and this is his true origin

  • N FORCE 5
    N FORCE 5 12 hours ago

    Screw no Batman. He’s a dumb director.

  • Kali
    Kali 13 hours ago +1

    I think the scene where another joker killed Bruce's parents was a sign that Arthur inspired the joker but isn't the actual joker we know

  • Jia Hajime
    Jia Hajime 15 hours ago

    So much hatred reflexed by the audiences and the movie. The first time I can finally see people embrace this topic. How about self defense? How about society? Who is the hypocrite, is he pyscho clown or the rich or the comedian star?

  • Eldar Isgandarov
    Eldar Isgandarov 15 hours ago +1

    I love how the character slowly forms into the cartoony joker we all know from the comics and early shows/films, with him prancing about on stage after shooting Murray and running around the hallways of the asylum in the last shot!

  • J Rizzo
    J Rizzo 15 hours ago

    My friend who was a producer on this movie confirmed this movie is a set up for the soon-coming REAL Joker -- Jared Leto.

    Just kidding. Love you, guys.

  • Donald Shero
    Donald Shero 16 hours ago

    Don’t tell me when he killed Murray the laugh wasn’t genuine cause I’m not buying it! I felt that sick laughter

  • Jourdan Immanuel
    Jourdan Immanuel 16 hours ago

    I absolutely hate the idea that everything up until the end was all a lie. The scenes where Arthur imagined having a relationship would become pointless if this was true. What's funny is that Arthur was clearer in thought when he came off his meds and as he began to fall into Nihilism. He was in Arkham some time before the movie for reasons he can't even explain but at the end of the movie, he knows exactly why he's there.
    I didn't think I'd enjoy a Joker with an fleshed out origin story (I didn't even like the multiple choice one from the Killing Joke) but I love Arthur's story.

  • Medicinewind Chaney
    Medicinewind Chaney 17 hours ago

    If it wasn’t real then why show bruce waynes parents get ... nevermind I get it

  • Catnium
    Catnium 17 hours ago

    I remember it this way...




    Sometimes I remember all the nonsense the media said about my movie..

  • Kyle Man
    Kyle Man 19 hours ago

    Of course Arthur can't be the real Joker that Batman fights. He'd be too old by the time Bruce becomes Batman!

  • shreyas shelar
    shreyas shelar 19 hours ago

    I heard someone saying that ...the man trying to catch Arthur in the last scene is the actual JOKER. What abt this theory?

  • Shendue
    Shendue Day ago

    The movie goal is to put us into Joker's perspective. The movie itself is multiple choice.

  • Freshminster
    Freshminster Day ago

    I think everything is real until he doesn't get medicated. The second half of the movie is him fantasicing , about killing and becoming a person someone would look up too. In a city where bankers are so arrogant and selfish , why would they ride a dirty train ? Why does he fire 7 shots with a gun that only can hold 6 bullets ? Where is the lady who went away ?

  • Henry Ayers
    Henry Ayers Day ago

    My brain just assumed most of it was real and at the end he escapes from Arkham before turning into heath ledger and fighting Batman in the dark knight!

  • DadGeek UK
    DadGeek UK Day ago

    Think about it though. If Arthur is the actual Joker, he's a 40+ year old man when Bruce Wayne is a child. That means that by the time Bruce is old enough to be the Batman, Joker is going to be 70+. It's much more likely that events/stories of Arthur's 'Joker' are an inspiration to the child who will eventually become the real Joker.

  • maraontheblock
    maraontheblock Day ago

    The point of the movie is that you HAVE to be uncertain about what really happened and what not. It's not important to understand. That's the joke. That's why the movie is so beautiful.

  • Rank You
    Rank You Day ago +1

    Anyone else think he was a sexy clown?😉😆🤣 like cmonn guys! That hair slicked back, the way he smokes and flicks it off and them cool azz moves down those stairs with so much swaaaggg😩🙌uhhh😁😩🤯🙌❤️😂😂😂

  • carina
    carina Day ago

    i wish it was real joker plzzz

  • Brian Rosin
    Brian Rosin Day ago

    So the guy who suffers from the pseudobulbar effect, and is mentally ill, isnt the joker?

  • only a comentary nothing special

    This whole "he isn't really the Joker thing" really starts to piss me off

  • wildfire 456
    wildfire 456 Day ago

    I personally think the "joke" was indeed the story of the Joker as many suggest. But I have another thing to add. The entire story is not a joke. Only the parts where he gets recognized e.g where he's with his supposed girlfriend, where Murray acknowledges him and even where he's surrounded by his followers. Perhaps the joke is that he never really got any sort of attention. And ofcourse, it was too complex to explain it to the psychiatrist at the spot. Hence "you wouldn't get it". This is just my take on the movie.

  • Woke Cat
    Woke Cat Day ago

    Holyshit now after hearing it’s meaning it hits hard after hitting this

  • Zuloten
    Zuloten Day ago

    I would love to see a death in the family with phoenix

  • elle_aye
    elle_aye Day ago

    "It was all a dream"... meh

  • Msc Solar
    Msc Solar Day ago

    I just watched it

  • Joshua Wrathall
    Joshua Wrathall Day ago

    Two little tidbits...I might be talking crazy here but I think a Batman and Joker movie would be ok...without Batman...if that makes sense. I think it would be cool to have Joker fully embrace his chaotic Joker. Have Arthur actually he Joker. And throughout the whole movie it’s kind of building on Bats becoming Batman but always trying to find a different way to fight things until finally he fees the only way to win is to fight fire with fire in a sense...and that’s how we can lead into the newer Batman generation. Only problem is that would have to mean Robat (Pattinson’s Batman) will have to come out after. It’s make sense cause Pattinson is still pretty young so the age difference wouldn’t be too crazy.
    Something along those lines at least.
    My second point...I honestly think they made a point to specifically show that Sophie wasn’t his girlfriend after all and that He wasn’t actually on the Murray Show at the beginning part. Just think it would be weird to specifically only make those parts obvious and not the rest...🤷🏼‍♂️🤔

  • Sky Barry
    Sky Barry Day ago

    Tbh I love villain movies. I love learning about the past of them

  • James Henchy
    James Henchy Day ago

    No definitely not....epic and happy to hear the sequel will stay it’s own

  • Kori Hayes
    Kori Hayes Day ago

    If you want to see what The media has to say about it head over to my Channel 🥴 why so serious media

  • victor evans
    victor evans Day ago

    This is the reason why DC movies never reach its target audience... cos they(DC production) are the only people who thinks their films are interesting... do it right... be straight to the point... we all just wanna be entertained...

  • ☢ ƬƝƬƁOƳ-Ɗα-Ɓαωz ☢

    I love this movie

  • Miss Raline
    Miss Raline Day ago

    Just watched this movie for the second time and i think all of it is real except the part that shown in movie it's not..
    At the very beginning scene Arthur was talking to the social activist that he feel better locked up in Arkham asylum , and there's a glimpse of Arkham white room which he's banging his head. I thought that scene shows Arthur is in mental illness condition and tried to hurt himself so they locked him up..
    Remember when he get to Arkham Hospital again to look up his mother ( Penny Fleck) documents? In that scene he's asking the clerk how to get in here, while the clerk answers people who get in here is hurting other people or hurting themselves.. In my opinion Arthur done every bad thing to get in there..
    At the very last, he locked up for killing 5 people, and he thought of joke. That joke might be his life nothing but comedy..
    Who's with me?

  • Roo Seph
    Roo Seph Day ago

    This is all BS to drum up hype and mystery for the movie/character and it's all cop out answer for the director.

  • Madison K
    Madison K Day ago

    You didn't explain the ending at all

  • Lucas Arnquist
    Lucas Arnquist Day ago

    This is stupid just let us enjoy the movie


    I really hate the "it was all a dream" cliche.
    It totally ruins the impact of the movie when you want to rewatch it, because hey, why should I care about anything that happens when it's all a feverdream?
    Its interesting to think some things were just Arthur's imagination but the whole thing? That would kill the love I have for the film entirely.

  • Callie Pait
    Callie Pait Day ago

    It’s pretty obvious that Arthur Fleck had realized, by the end of the movie, that he was just a character. He starts to sing the song that is then presented as the ending scene song so he is just coming to terms with the fact that his life is a tragic comedy written for an audience. Arthur Fleck is the joker. The joker knows he’s a character. He is breaking the fourth wall and the entire movie was just working up to that fact.

  • Dakota Stepe
    Dakota Stepe Day ago

    I think the whole clown riot thing was real and the end is after he has been captured by Batman and figured that he Cause Bruce Wayne’s parents to get killed

  • Jeremy Menning
    Jeremy Menning Day ago

    Cesar Romero.
    Jack Nicholson.
    Mark Hamill.
    Cameron Monaghan.
    Zack Galifinakis.
    Jared Leto.
    Heath Ledger.
    Joaquin Phoenix.
    They were all The Joker.
    And none of them were The Joker.

  • Thomas DL
    Thomas DL Day ago

    I want him to be the joker!

  • giada
    giada Day ago

    The director seems to openly approve the theory "The movie was just Arthur's immagination. Arthur is not the real joker". Too easy! This means, to me, that the theory will soon prove to be wrong XD
    I have experience with series's writers who approve fans's theories and then write different stories XD
    I think Todd and Joaquin are really considering a "Joker" sequel, and maybe when/if they'll confirm the sequel they'll tell us the truth abous the last scene.

  • Ileamar Ferrer
    Ileamar Ferrer Day ago

    Joaquin Phoenix is the Joker! No one else!

  • Hugo Brömme
    Hugo Brömme 2 days ago

    "Perhaps he told the story to a fellow Arkham State Hospital inmate who then became the real Joker who fights Batman"
    Not only does that sound like stupid overanalyzing bullshit but also unsatisfying as fuck if it's actually true. It would ruin the movie for me completely.

  • DonutWarLord
    DonutWarLord 2 days ago

    All of it happened except the part with his girlfriend.
    The end scene was in the future where he more than likely got locked up and he was thinking of batman.